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Michael Krueger Interview
Written by Ryan Christian   
Tuesday, 16 December 2008


Born to Lose, colored pencil, 12" x 15", 2008

Great plains, graffiti, American history, animals, plant life and colored pencils. Howdy, Michael Krueger!

Palisades, colored pencil, 30" x 20", 2008

Michael, tell us a bit about Chief Red Cloud's feathered beaver hide top hat?

Chief Red Cloud was a Sioux Indian Chief during the downfall of the Sioux empire and the ultimate relocation to the reservations in South Dakota. In 1871 Chief Red Cloud visited Washington DC to meet with President Ulysses S. Grant to negotiate violations of the Treaty of 1868. Red Cloud was a seminal figure in the Sioux Indian resistance. He upheld the belief that 'the land' did not belong to anyone, that the land was a living spirit and was not to be owned, sold or violated in anyway. Red Cloud is, (for me) an inspirational anti-hero from American history. There is a lot more to be said about Red Cloud but you asked about his hat. Red Cloud had a beaver hide top hat complete with a bloom of eagle feathers crafted for his visit to Washington DC.

When I was a student at the University of South Dakota, one summer I worked for the University Museum and was charged with retrieving certain Indian artifacts from Pine Ridge Indian Reservation for an exhibition. One of the artifacts that I retrieved was Chief Red Clouds Hat. The shear power of this simple elegant object has stayed with me for all these years and a hold out to one of the most influential experiences in shaping my social and political view of the world.

As I drove back from the dismal dry land of Pine Ridge Indian Reservation with a van full of artifacts I passed through town of Fort Randall and over the Fort Randall Dam. Red Cloud's hat beamed with energy and conjured a quiet and gentle euphoria in me. It was a truly beautiful and powerful object. As I passed through Fort Randall I experienced the most entrancing sunset. It was as if I was inside the sunset and I was fully enveloped by the color and clouds of the setting of the sun. It's really one of those experiences that defy description. I stopped the van and sat in awe until I was consumed by the darkness of the prairie. Years later I made a drawing of Red Cloud and the hat and I have continued to make drawings about American history and my own personal history. Being a visual person and someone who appreciates the power of objects, Red Clouds hat facilitated a deeper understanding of American history and lead me to become passionate about resurrecting and reshaping our understanding of history and my own personal history.

Palisades, colored pencil, DETAIL (1), 2008

Palisades, colored pencil, DETAIL (2), 2008

There is a definite kind of dust bowl/great plains/ westward expansion/ ol' timey feel to your work. And you have lived in the midwest your whole life. How did this geography and its history find it's way into what you are doing? What are some other influences/ parts integrated into your work?

Living in the Midwest, the vastness of the prairie has a penetrating impact on your consciences. I have great love and appreciation for the prairie and I know it has influenced my work, along with all of the rich and bizarre histories of this region. The outlaws and anti-heroes have always fascinated me.

Also, I have the fondest memories of visiting places like Boot Hill Cemetery in Deadwood and trudging through the lush rock terrain of the Black Hills, or soaking up the humidity in the Wisconsin Dells.

Other influences are pretty diverse - everything from Goya to Norman Rockwell and from Bob Dylan to Dan Deacon. Consuming contemporary art is a passion, I am of the belief that artists today should be hyper aware of what is going on right now. Some of the artists that I am following include; Sam Durant, Amy Cutler, Chris Johanson, Jo Jackson, Enrique Chagoya, Don Ed Hardy, Carl Fudge, Travis Millard, Scott Teplin, Alex Kvares, Kathryn Spence, Jenny Schmid, Daniel Guzman, Collier Schorr, Cary Leibowitz, the list goes on and on. The work that influences me is also often work that confirms the value of my own work, that there is something in the air that constitutes a movement or rather simultaneity of thought.

Aside from contemporary sources I do look at great deal artists from the past. Goya has without a doubt had a profound influence on my work. I am also influenced by a lot of non-art sources such as the things that I collect, personal experiences, relationships, and revisionist history. I have been collecting stuff for years. Stuff like my record collection and album cover art has as much weight, for me, as any other sources of inspiration.

Going West to Get East, colored pencil, 20" x 30", 2008

Going West to Get East, colored pencil, DETAIL, 2008

So you went through the bfa - mfa routine. what was your work like back then in comparison to now, how did that progression play out.

This is funny because one of my students just asked me the other day what my art was like in graduate school. I told him about a piece that I made that grew out of an addiction to collecting cameras and a fascination with Joseph Bueys and alchemy. I set up a dozen or so cameras on and around a swamp and in the dead of night I proceeded to trudge around the swamp like a delusional shaman. The camera, with shutters open, recorded my ghostly presence. I was also making sculpture, prints and some encaustic paintings. The work that I make now and works from the past, including the swamp piece, are about sorting out a connection with the land, memory, history and the dispossessed experience that we have with the natural world and our history on the earth.

Both of my degrees in art were ultimately very important to my development as an artist. Mostly because I was fortunate to have exceptional and compassionate professors and because I had time to make things, fail, try again and wander around in swamps.

Victory from Above, colored pencil, 16" x 28", 2008

Deadly Nightshade, colored pencil, 16" x 28", 2007

Another reason your work stands out to me is the use of and choice of the medium. You seem halfway between tight and loose, and most your drawings are very elaborate. How do you see your technique and imagery relating? Also, your color palette is really weird, why the color choices? Do you just us colored pencil?

Oddly enough, I think that my current colored pencil drawings are informed by years of making etchings and lithographs. They have a very print quality to them, even down to the way that I pierce the paper with the line. I made a very aggressive return to drawing about 6 years ago partly because my ideas were coming so fast that I could not be slowed down by other more process oriented media. Right now I am just using colored pencils, for me there is a kind of punk naive quality to the colored pencils drawings while also having a ninetieth century Courier and Ives vibe. The color in someway supports the narrative psychologically and emotively, I can't really describe how I choose the palette it just gets sorted out in the 'making'.

Four Owls in Peace, colored pencil, 15" x 12", 2007

What is Here is the Same is What is There, colored pencil, 13" x 22", 2007

So your drawings kind of break down into some different categories per se, you have your portraiture, your text based landscape stuff and your more kind of narrative-esque pieces. Are you more partial to a particular series? The you see them as a singular body of work or do they operate more individually?

I have embraced different modes of making these drawings but really I see them as all very related and each building on the next pieces or the next series. I work somewhat in a series with the drawings but most recently I feel like I am wandering and folding together the things that I have learned from past pieces.

Monsters that Walk the Earth, colored pencil, 16" x 28", 2007

Monsters that Walk the Earth, colored pencil, DETAIL, 2007

You are a very busy guy. Family man, professor, exhibiting and making work, curating, etc.... how do you find time to do everything well? Also, i find a lot of artists that i am into are also teachers and a lot of them aren't. How does teaching affect you personal artistic endeavors?

Being a father is easy, because you just love your child so much that it doesn't seem like work, but of course it does take a lot of energy. I must say that I can't imagine not being a parent and I know that there is nothing else in my life that has brought more to my creative practices than being a father. Simply because caring for someone else and having a parental bond with another human opens ones heart and mind to the world in a way that nothing else will ever do.. is that sappy enough for you? As for teaching and being an artist, this is a really balancing act. I have always tried to maintain rigorous studio practices, I know that I am a better teacher because I am fully committed to my own work and that I push myself to be out there with my work. If you are going to survive in academia you have to figure out pretty quickly how to get into your studio and conjure the kind of creative intensity that you need to make stuff at a moments notice.

For me my creative life needs to include a variety of activities, making contributions to the greater community of artists through conferences, lectures, panels, demonstrations, curating and 'just sharing' is very important to me. This kind of engagement is copasetic with academia, but of course there is tedium to institutions that can be pretty annoying.

Peace in the Valley, colored pencil, 13" x 22", 2007

Night Signs, colored pencil, 9" x 19", 2007

You work a lot with OSP how did you get shacked up with those folks? Tell a little bit about the group show you are in right now, Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll.

I got involved with the Steven Zevitas Gallery through his publication New American Painting. He put my drawing of Thomas Jefferson on the cover and later contacted me about showing in his gallery. Steven has really been great to work with, you couldn't ask for a more honest genuine person to handle your precious artworks. He has been amp'ing up his curatorial projects and recently put together a kick ass show called "Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll". Peregrine Honig, John Copeland, Allison Schlunik, Wes Lang and a handful of other likeminded artists are in the show.

Day Signs, colored pencil, 15" x 12", 2007

So word has it that this Thomas Jefferson piece found it's way to Monticello? How'd that happen?

A few years ago I had a show in Charlottesville Virginia. I made a few pieces that dealt with early American history and Thomas Jefferson. I made a drawing of Jefferson pushing a shopping cart; he was of course a shop'aholic. The gallery liked this image so much that they commissioned an etching based on the drawing. A copy of the etching was acquired by Monticello. I got to meet the recently hired curator and get a behind the scenes tour of Monticello. The curator had just published a book with revisionist recounts of Jefferson, one of which made the assertion that he had a problem with shopping. And he was, and in many ways a model of how we live today, in debt, beyond our means at the expense of others.

Shopping Jefferson, colored pencil, 12" x 10", 2002

Name drop list...

There is a great music scene in and around Lawrence Kansas, so going to see live music has been influential and inspiring, recently I have seen Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, Casitone for the Painfully Alone, Emperor Moth, Drakkar Sauna, Charlie Parr, Man Man, Jolie Holland and Animal Collective, among others.

Also, I have been obsessively checking out documentaries from library. Some really great ones that I have seen recently are "Gimme Shelter", "Sir, No Sir", "Burden of Dreams", "The War Tapes", "Homecoming", "Salesman", and "Hell House".

Green River, colored pencil, 16" x 28", 2007

Anything noteworthy/mentionable coming up in the future for you??

One of my prints is in the Nov./Dec. Art On Paper, included as part of the "New Prints Review" issue. Robert Blackburn Printmaking Workshop in New York published the print. It is from an on-going series of prints that appropriate notes, images, tardy slips and other ephemera from my high school notebooks, with new images inserted. These works are a strange collaboration with my past self and reflect on the history of my youth, namely growing up in the wake of the Vietnam War.

The art auction season seems to be in full bloom, I have donated work to the WFMU radio station auction to be held at Printed Matter (New York, NY) and the International Print Center of New York auction. In February I am going to Honolulu to give a printmaking workshop and jury a show for the Honolulu Printmaking Society. In March I will have work in two shows in Chicago in conjunction with the Southern Graphic Council Conference hosted by Columbia College. In the fall I have a solo show at Steven Zevitas Gallery, Boston and a residence at Djerassi Resident Artists Program in Woodside, CA (outside of San Francisco).

What I am most excited about is my upcoming sabbatical from teaching next semester and the new studio that we rented, (me, my wife and son all have space in the studio to make work). I plan to draw every day!

Return to Roanoke, colored pencil, 9" x 14", 2002

Invent something right now, what is it?

I would like to invent a machine that would allow me to put pen to paper on one letter while simultaneously creating a duplicate letter.

California Circa 1870, colored pencil, 17" x 22", 2004

links
www.michaelkrueger.us
http://www.stevenzevitasgallery.com/
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2008/11/wfmu-art-benefi.html
http://www.ipcny.org/

Interview conducted by Fecal Face's Chicago corespondent Ryan Christian.
Email him at: ryan(at)fecalface.com

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great work krueger! it's really awesome to see you balance making work, 
and teaching.
Written by MMM on 2008-12-16 16:28:46


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Really inspiring work, great interview, best of luck to you Michael.
Written by Josh Keyes on 2008-12-16 16:47:38


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I love your work Kreuger. Especially 'palisades' and 'roanoke.' Please tell Emperor Moth hello from Sean.
Written by bluebrownwhiteman on 2008-12-16 20:27:19


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amazing stuff
Written by Aaron Neil Dickinson on 2008-12-16 21:51:10


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this is great but how well can you shred the lawrence hills on a sled/inner tube?
Written by placer*one on 2008-12-16 22:25:50


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go west one is off the hizzle my dizzle!
Written by Jesse Edwards on 2008-12-17 12:57:48


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Michael Krueger is an art professor at U. of Kansas. David Ohle lectures there and used to transcribe William Burroughs's dreams in Lawrence. Freddy Krueger haunted children's dreams. Burroughs was a child once.  
 
What is going on in Lawrence, KS?
Written by Reynard on 2008-12-18 22:00:07


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sickie sickner sicktown give it up for the all time most stellar pencil shredder! keep carving that buttery,raw creative shizzzzzzz always and forever. larryville, baybay. keepin it real! -i mean...nice work michael, this is a really nice interview!
Written by millstein on 2008-12-20 12:10:21


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Reynard, There is quite a lot going on in Lawrence,Ks. There have been in the last year multiple galleries that have been started grassroots style. DotDotDot Art Space and Eric Dobbin's Wonder Fair Gallery to name a few. Recently members of ooo and a collective titled Fresh Produce went to London to put together a show of Burroughs's painting's and video's at The Royal Academy. Wonder Fair is holding a get together tomorrow evening with The Crate-Lung Co-Op from Salt Lake. We make good work, have a lot of fun and no one notices. Krueger, very exciting to see your work on here. Very nice interview Ryan.
Written by mrrobertgandy on 2008-12-22 16:20:23


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é o fim do mundo!
Written by rasputines on 2008-12-25 04:30:24


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Michael, I'm not sure everyone knows you are making a joke here - Thomas Jefferson already invented the machine that simultaneously copies a drawing or a letter. We saw it at Monticello. By the way, my students want you to come back soon. - Dean
Written by dad on 2009-01-13 06:41:16


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the color scheme used in California circa 1870 looks grand 
great stuff krueger
Written by HungryBearBear on 2009-01-19 11:10:25


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I love the new work Michael. I'll always consider showing with you at Packer Schopf in 2007 an amazing honor. Kudos and best of luck.
Written by steve_seeley on 2009-02-19 21:04:25


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Great article, thanks. We recently had a phenomenal show of Michael's work at the gallery (Steven Zevitas Gallery, Boston, MA) our second solo show with him. He continues to impress us, truly great work.
Written by danacordova on 2009-11-07 06:35:34


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What and how are you planning to better yourself... or how to make stuff worse if that's your medicine.
High 5s: My Holiday Vacation
The last week of 2009 spent wishing a magical baby happy birthday in a complete haze.
Interview with Director Erich Weiss
The film Hori Smoku Sailor Jerry explores the roots of American tattooing through the life of its most iconoclastic figure, Norman "Sailor Jerry" Collins.
Ryan Converse - Mini Interview
From the Pacific Northwest where the wild things roam.
Back in Papua New Guinea
Artist Tiffany Bozic and her husband, who's the curator of Birds and Mammals at the Cal Academy, take a trip to study some of the rarest birds on Earth.
Live and Work on a Container Ship
Nothing like being on pirate watch in the Gulf of Aden.
High 5s: Holidayz
Carnage, Space Ships, Muhammad Ali, Newspapers, Dirty Fingernails, Fishnets, Ashtrays, Vinyl Seats, and Really long Sideburns.
Primary Flight Miami '09
"The world's largest site-specific street level mural installation :: Art Basel 2009"
Free Fridayz: I'm Thankful For
This week's prize is a collection of great books from Fantagraphics.
High5s: RandomNESS
A random collection of photos for a project.
Video: Jeremy Fish Studio Visit
A quick little video interview filmed before his show opened Nov 8th at the Laguna Art Museum.
ClipODay: LSD No No
No Mas and artist James Blagden proudly present the animated tale of Dock Ellis' legendary LSD no-hitter. Thanks for the more than fantastic link to Bloom Press.
Tinker Street Collective
Insight into this photo collective who brings Fecal Face this week's POTD.
High5s: 100 IPhone Photos
Mainly about my cat Poo wearing a red sweater for Thanksgiving... He wanted it this way.
Free Fridayz: Fashion Victims
You've seen them. You've been them. Can't avoid them. Smell them. Be them.
Christian Herr - Mini Interview
Flat bike tires in far away places, quarters that don't work in vending machines
Jeff Soto: Melbourne Part II
Jeff blogs the 2nd half of his trip to Melbourne to speak at this year's Semi-Permanent.
Kelsey Brookes Studio
A look into the studio of this San Diego based artist as he prepares for his solo show @Quint Contemporary opening Nov 20th.
APE 2009
Michael C. Hsiung and friends travel up from LA to set up a booth at this year's Alternative Press Expo 2009 in San Francisco.
Jeff Soto: Melbourne
Jeff's trip to Melbourne to speak at this year's Semi-Permanent.
Free Fridayz: Distracted Pilots
What's not to be distracted by? Loads of dials and what a view?!

Next weeks theme: Fashion Victim.

Michael Dotson - Mini Interview
Inspired by Michael Jordan, this DC based 27 year old is a genius with masking tape and has a show coming up Jan 2010 in LA @Lawrence Asher.
Meyoko - Mini Interview
Berlin based artist with some intense ink drawings.
Free Fridayz: Takes 1 to Know 1
You submit a drawing based on a theme. People vote. Someone wins... Free Fridayz.

Next week's theme: Distracted Airline Pilots. Get your drawing in by Fri.

High5s: Treasure Island Music Fest
And our "coverage" of the event = stumble around and take photos with beer in hand.
Mini Interview: Nolan Hendrickson
This 33 yr. old NYC based artist describes his work such, "Making love out of nothing at all."
High 5s: Drip Drip Drip
A photo blog in and around San Francisco.
Free Fridayz: I Swear to God...
Full theme title: I swear to fucking God that if you do that one more God damn time I'm going to rip your fucking head off and feed it to a cute little squirrel named Fecal Face.
Mini Interview: Sam Falls
This MFA photography student @ICP-Bard in NYC just released a new book "Color Dying Light" and is preparing for his solo PS1 solo show @Capricious Space in June.
Mini Interview: Matt Relkin
Otherworldly landscapes & skyscapes containing dark primordial objects all belonging to a self-made mythology.
London: A Trip to Berlin
And assisting Dalek for his show @Elms Lesters Gallery in London plus a lot of Berlin street art.
Free Fridayz: Your Saint
This is a great week, but I can't wait to see what people draw for next week's theme.
DUALITY OF MAN
Great photos from Carlos de Spinola trying to visualize South Africa's crime problem.
Free Fridayz: Stupid Police Chase
This week's prize is a two day pass to the Treasure Island Music Festival running Oct 17th & 18th... Obviously you need to live somewhere near SF to win.
Michael Sieben's Summer Vacation
Hopefully this blog gives you some temporary relief from the crushing terror of the impending Swine Flu epidemic.
Free Fridayz: Dinosaurs Are So 80s
Next week's theme is a doozy... Stupid Police Chase.
Up and Down From LA
Mel Kadel and Travis Millard came up from LA to SF to install Mel's show Echo Test @FFDG. This is Travis' blog from their trip.
High 5s: Sure, You Can Fly
Contest winner, more Mel, marooned at China Camp, KQED, and people you've never met.
If You Build It We Will Burn It
North Carolina collective, Team Lump, travels to East London's arty Bethnal Green neighborhood for this group show @Cell Projects.
Free Fridayz: POOR
"I'd like to live as a poor man with lots of money." -Picasso
Jeff Soto: Summer Fun
Jeff blogs up a snap shot of his summer vacation.
Ben Tour takes Manhattan
Ben Tour, Bacon, Hotdogs & Heartburn. Manuel brings us a "Ben Tour" Tour of Manhattan and more.
Free Fridayz: Monkey & The Apocalypse
The full title: A monkey eating the Eiffel Tower while ice skating off a cliff wearing a mini skirt and hoop earings during the apocalypse... Might be one of the best Free Fridayz to date.
Mini Interview: Adam Sullivan
Paper, scissors, blades, UHU Stic, pens and pencils are what's used to create these great collages from this Ohio based artist.
Mini Interview: Ted Gahl
MFA painting student @RISD whose work is now showing at the new Nudashank in Baltimore.
Mini Interview: Nicolas Le Borgne
This talented 25 yr. old French artist stops through the Fecal.

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